I ask this question of the world generally on my Twitter profile. The ability to provide evidence for a factual claim is fundamental to rational debate. And there’s scarcely a political party that hasn’t claimed at some time that it believes in ‘evidence-based policy’.
Unfortunately, the political world is awash with parties and individuals who make factual claims without providing the evidence for them. It doesn’t need a long academic treatise, just a link to where evidence for a claim can be found, the small print ‘Source: …’ you often, and should, see underneath a statistic or a graph. Where that basic safeguard is missing, even after a polite enquiry has sought it, we have the right to be suspicious. It’s why I ask my question.
As a result of my question, I have quite a collection of organisations and individuals who decline to provide evidence for their claims. Here is a small selection, focusing mainly on nationalist parties and their senior representatives, but with a few examples of undoubtedly intelligent people who should know better, and the much larger number of random, often anonymous, accounts who make even wilder claims based only on their own naivety or fantasy.
Enjoy.
From Twitter accounts who declare, or obviously have, a party affiliation
SNP MP Douglas Chapman claimed ‘Over the next 5 years the UK will suck £80bn directly out of the Scottish economy. Labour want to spend it on giving English taxpayers a council tax cut.’
I asked ‘Have you got a link to a reliable source for that £80bn figure …? I’m sure you’ll agree the facts and truth are important in politics. Many thanks.’
Answer came there none.
The SNP said ‘Scotland is bearing the brunt of a broken Brexit Britain, with UK car insurance skyrocketing by up to 43.1%. Car insurance inflation remains low within the EU.’
I asked ‘Do you have a source for those figures and their connection to Brexit? Thanks. BTW It’s good practice to include a source on a meme if you want to be taken seriously.’
Answer came there none.
SNP MP Stephen Flynn said ‘The values of this place [“Westminster”], they aren’t Scotland’s values’
I said ‘If he hadn’t blocked me on Twitter … I might have asked him what I reasonably ask of many people making factual claims.’ [Mr Flynn is my MP]
Unsurprisingly Answer came there none.
The ALBA party said ‘In 2014, we were told that North Sea Oil and Gas was about to run out.’
I asked ‘Can you produce evidence for that statement about 2014? A link to a reliable source will do. It’s not something I remember.’
Answer came there none.
SNP MP Dave Doogan said ’When the people of Scotland vote for independence, the rest of the UK will have to buy our energy resources.’
I asked ‘What proportion of the rest of the UK’s energy needs are met by Scottish resources at present? It’s a simple factual question and I’m happy with a link to a reliable source of the information. Thank you.’
Answer came there none.
Alex Gill (‘SNP member … former Constituency Assistant to SNP MP David Linden) said ‘A majority of those aged 54 and under support Independence. Younger folk much more likely. If you feel Independence isn’t coming fast enough, don’t feel down. Demographics are destiny. The clock is ticking down on union, and they know it.’ [He had attached part of an unsourced table as ‘evidence’]
I asked ‘Here’s the latest poll on What Scotland Thinks … Somewhat different from yours, where you also omit those >64. Now tell us your source …’
Answer came there none.
Celtchar [‘SNP member’) said ‘Scotland’s Seabed was changed by Tony Blair’s Govt. the NIGHT BEFORE Scottish Devolution in 1999 – it’s a matter of Public Record – FACT! England secretly took 6,000 MILES of the North Sea bed – the Right-wing MSM Buried that Information – FACT HISTORICAL FACTS are FACTS!.’
I asked ‘Do you have a reliable source for that claim? A link will do. Thanks.’
Answer came there none.
Christopher McEleny, ALBA party general secretary, said ‘Scotland is on course to deliver a whopping 46% of Europe’s actual offshore energy by 2035.’
I asked ‘Have you got a source for that forecast please? A link will do. Thanks.’
Answer came there none.
From people who should know better
Craig Murray, former British ambassador and now well-known Scottish nationalist said ‘If England wishes to be the sole successor state [to the UK] and retain the seat on the UN Security Council, it has to take responsibility for the total UK national debt.’
I asked ‘Have you got an authoritative source for that? A simple link will do. Thanks.’
Answer came there none.
James Smith (‘Vice Principal & Professor at Edinburgh University’} said ‘About a quarter to a third of people in the UK believe colonies were better off under the Empire, are proud of it, and wish we still had it.’
[This tweet creeps in as Smith was responding to a statement about a nationalist-supporting Scottish actor returning his Order of the British Empire medal because he had discovered the British empire was ‘toxic’]
I said ‘Interesting. Do you have a source for that statistic? Thanks.’
Answer came there none.
@ProfJWR (‘Retired Professor of Media Politics‘ John W Robertson) said ‘Native Scots are strongly in favour of independence’ and linked his tweet to his blog post of the same name, in which he included an unattributed map showing ‘where the English-born electorate lives in Scotland.’
I said ‘What’s the source of the map showing “where the English-born electorate lives in Scotland”? It can’t show the “electorate”. No one has ever measured the electorate by place of birth. If it’s total population from the census it’s at least 11 years old.’
Answer came there none.
Unfortunately, he has removed the map from his blog post, though the text remains.
A few examples of the far more numerous, often anonymous, accounts that make sometimes wild unsubstantiated claims
Bob Scott @xrpbobscott said ‘Pmsl* why is Broken Britain who haven’t balanced the books since ww2 so keen to keep scotland? Because they are bankrupt without it.’ [* Pmsl – a social media abbreviation for ‘pissing myself laughing’]
I asked ‘Have you got a source for the claim that Britain would be bankrupt without Scotland? A link would do. Thanks.’
Answer came there none.
Jollyman56 @jollyman56 claimed ‘Our economic performance is determined by England’s parliament. Currently, we give our revenues to WM. They return 50% via Barnett. Only when England requires more spending do we get consequentials. It doesn’t work in reverse. That’s imbalance.’
I asked ‘Do you have a reliable source for that 50% statistic? A link will do. Thanks!’
Answer came there none.
Ken @outofunion claimed ‘… Scotland’s NHS budget is DEPENDENT on what the British Government allocates to England’s NHS …’
I asked ‘Can you tweet a link to a reliable source that confirms Scotland’s NHS budget is dependent on what the UK government allocates to the English NHS? Thanks.’
Answer came there none.
And so it goes, interminably. In every example I cite the perpetrators provided no proof of the claims made. In many cases, others have countered with evidence proving the claims are false. Very rarely do any of the nationalist accounts who make unsubstantiated claims respond positively to my polite request for evidence. Of those who do, I cannot remember a single case where their response provided definitive proof of their claim. Most link to a source already discredited or evidence that at the very best is ambiguous.
Quite frequently I have to point out to hostile respondents that it’s not my job to search for the evidence I believe is important: you make the claim, the onus is on you to substantiate it. As I say above, it’s the way rational debate works.
Others take a more robust view on the subject than me, asserting that anyone unwilling to provide evidence for their claim is almost certain to be lying, and should be treated as a liar. I have some sympathy with that point of view but there are also naïve or ignorant people who do not understand the nature of facts and evidence. And of course, some only tune in to what supports their views.
Worst in this are the two political parties, SNP and ALBA, and their elected representatives. They set the tone for fellow separatists and will know what they’re doing.
Me? I’ll keep plodding away with my polite question and drawing my own conclusion when silence (or occasionally abuse) ensues. It may seem wasted effort. But the perpetrators of unsubstantiated claims discredit themselves and their cause. They’re nearly always found out and will suffer as a result.
A note on sources. As someone who tries always to give sources for my own claims, let me pre-empt any criticism that I’ve not done so in this post. All I’ve done is quote verbatim what others have said on Twitter. All the examples here date from late 2022 at the earliest. I found them all by searching on Twitter for ‘@rogerlwhite: sources’ and you could do the same. In many cases the name or Twitter handle of the account concerned will lead you to the claim. Finally, and perhaps most effectively, you can also do a simple search on the quoted words the account used.