Petitions and fundraisers …

Update 13:00 9 April – the petition has been signed by 220,050 people. Any petition signed by over 100,000 people will be considered by parliament for a debate.

… well one petition and, later, one fundraiser.

As I write this, and as you see above, this petition on the UK government and parliament website has hit 88,611 signatures in not much more than 24 hours. You won’t be surprised to know I buy into the aim 100%. I don’t think the explanatory sentences with it are that great but I praise John Innes who created it (whoever he is). If you haven’t already, I’d urge you to sign it.

Watching the petition grow from virtually nothing yesterday it struck me that it’s a great example of an individual action that just caught the mood and grew (is still growing) spontaneously. It doesn’t seem to have been planned by any large organisation or be part of some great scheme promoted by a political party. And it’s all the more valuable for that.

One of the amusing spin-offs has been the number of nationalists online who’ve said ‘Aye but how many of them come from Scotland?’ They probably didn’t notice that you can see a map of the number of people signing by UK parliamentary constituency:

It’s a great little map by the way. You can click on any constituency and see the lucky MP who represents it, the number of their constituents who’ve signed it, and the percentage of the electorate that represents.

I was pleased earlier to record the first constituency to hit 1,000 signatories (as I write it’s  at 1,596):

Well done Deidre, your prize of the Yes i-pad is in the post even now.

A point on that moan about where the signatories come from: it’s true that some come from English, Welsh or Northern Irish constituencies, but I’d say so what? Why shouldn’t our fellow-citizens from across the UK, some of them no doubt Scots anyhow, have a view on the subject? It’s their country too after all.

Another response would be to highlight a different online endeavour at the moment – the SNP’s attempt to fundraise for their referendum that definitely, oh yes sirree no doubt about that, will be held within the next generation. Sorry, eighteen months.

The begging bowl is well and truly out, although it’s accompanied with the rather odd note, in the circumstances, ‘Your contribution will greatly benefit [not ‘be used for’] the referendum campaign,’ which the cynic might say is just a tad ambiguous.

Anyhow, my point is analogous to the nationalist complaint about where the ‘No referendum’ signatories come from, because on the SNP web site you can click through to their own map of where the khunas, bhats, dollars and bitcoins are pouring in from, for example, a hotspot in Croatia (Croatia???):

one or two loners in Thailand (I think we know who you are guys *winks*):

but curiously nothing from Lesley Riddoch’s favourite Nordic state-let, the Faroe Islands:

I do hope all the proper declarations about political donations are sought and given. No damn it, I’m sure they are, the whole thing’s promoted by their chief executive Peter Murrell and the SNP have a spotless record on this sort of thing.

I’m giving no link to the SNP website. If you’re reading this you definitely shouldn’t be throwing your hard-earned money at that particular lost cause. On the other hand, if you haven’t already,

Sign that No Referendum petition.

Update: by the time I got round to hitting the ‘publish’ button for this post the number signing had increased to 91,190.

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6 Responses to Petitions and fundraisers …

  1. Sam Duncan says:

    Well, you know my views on the matter. But, on the other hand, my idea was that the referendum request should have been pre-empted, to wrong-foot the nationalists. I don’t want one any more than most other Scots. And since it’s clear that the most likely, and most comfortable, action for the PM to take now that it’s been (or is about to be) requested is to deny it – indeed, as I said, I think that’s what the SNP is banking on – anything that demonstrates she has Scottish opinion on her side, refuting the inevitable nationalist claims of English/Tory obstruction, is all to the good. So (during a spell of insomnia at almost 4am), I’ve signed. Currently at 94,000 or so; not far to go until it must be debated in Parliament.

    Also, this is interesting, if true, and lends credence to my suspicions:

    Scottish government ministers spent yesterday afternoon ringing around companies and trade bodies to discuss Sturgeon’s announcement on IndyRef2. One recipient of such a phone call reports that the SNP minister they spoke to was keen to allay business fears. The minister conceded that a Scottish referendum before Brexit is unlikely – despite Sturgeon’s demand for a vote by Spring 2019 – but they privately hope for one “shortly afterwards”.

    I’m sure they won’t complain too loudly if they do get one before 2019, at least not in public, but I don’t think that’s the real purpose of this excercise.

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  2. Ross Cowan says:

    When I last checked, I was pleased that E. Ren. was topping the leaderboard of constituencies saying No. Hopefully my parliamentary representative, Kirsten Oswald, will take note, When she was selected as the SNP’s candidate in 2015, I was surprised because she had been a member of the party for less than a year. A recent and very enthusiastic convert to the cause, I assumed. That her late mother was an SNP councillor need not mean she shared her politics prior to 2014 ( knows, but so far Ms Oswald has been very much the party loyalist and I very much doubt that she’ll take note.



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  3. The petition opposing another Scottish independence referendum now has 194,848 signatures versus 35,109 for the petition supporting another vote. The former has added 1,067 signatures and the latter 116 since I checked 3 or 4 hours ago.

    Despite this the Scottish Greens, whose 2016 Scottish Parliament election manifesto stated that there should be another referendum when there was a clear sign of public demand for one, such as a petition with a million signatures in favour. 150,426 people gave their list votes to the Greens in that election.

    PS: 37 more against another referendum and one for whilst I have been composing this.

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    • Roger White says:

      Martin – thanks for your comment and helpful statement of the arithmetic of the Petition/Green votes!. I noticed on Twitter there’s a bit of a push to let Green MSPs know what people think of their potentially voting for ‘indyref2.’ These things can get a bit tetchy (and counter-productive) on social media so I decided to e-mail one of their MSPs I have a lot of respect for – Andy Wightman – and have just done so.

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    • First sentence of the second paragraph should read:

      Despite this the Scottish Greens, whose 2016 Scottish Parliament election manifesto stated that there should be another referendum when there was a clear sign of public demand for one, such as a petition with a million signatures in favour, are going to vote in favour of another referendum.


  4. The petition against another independence referendum now has 221,071 signatures, including 4,354 in Edinburgh North and Leith, my constituency. The SNP received 4,344 votes in this constituency in the 2005 General Election, 4,568 in 2010 and 23,742 in 2015. I prefer mean reversion to extrapolation of the current situation when trying to make forecasts. To be fair, the SNP votes in 2001 and 1997 were higher than in 2005 but still in four figures.

    The petition in favour of another referendum has now closed with 38,516 signatures, 978 of them from Edinburgh North and Leith. It must have been started before the one against another referendum as petitions to Parliament automatically close after 6 months. A candidate receiving 978 votes in this constituency would have come 5th in 1997, the first time it was contested, and 6th in every subsequent General Election.


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