English Scots for Yes – are they for real?

As prospects for a second Scottish independence/separation referendum fade ever more rapidly into the distant future, expect frenetic activity by nationalists to forge a contrary impression.

Expect more conferences and conventions, although don’t expect an open discussion on the subject at the next SNP conference.

Expect more Yes groups until every but and ben, every cludgie (Bogs 4 Indy?), has its own. All you need is one lonely guy in a bed sit, a logo and a Twitter account.

And not least, expect more affiliated groups professing every characteristic under the sun, although what they’re affiliated to is not clear.

Today’s example is a case in point – ‘English Scots for Yes,’ although we’ll draw a veil over whether the name makes any sense: is someone from Scotland living down South a Scots English?

They must be real, no? After all they’ve got a website.

Here it was on 1 August last year, when I first checked it:

englishforyes-website-aug-2016

Here it is today:

englishforyes-website-aug-2016

(I have the original screenshots with dates if anyone doubts me)

They’ve made impressive progress, haven’t they?

To be fair they were a ‘thing’ in the independence referendum campaign in 2014, although what sort of a thing, as with many of these groups, was never clear. If anyone knows where their constitution, office-bearers or accounts are or were, feel free to let me know. I’ll be happy to add a link to them.

Like lots of these purported groups they seemed to go into limbo after 2014. Wouldn’t you if you were roundly defeated?

And even if they can’t get a website up and running, they can relaunch themselves, which they did outside the Scottish parliament last year:

english-scots-for-yes-relaunch

[Someone pointed out to me their summer 2016 ‘re-launch’ picture was actually a photo from 2014. And, blow me, they’ve re-launched themselves again! That’s twice since last year. They are descending from the bizarre to the farcical]

You can see the original image pinned to the top of their Twitter account (remember – one lonely guy in a bed sit …?) dated 26 July 2016, with the caption ‘see our launch photo! MSPs, Cllrs…’ Four are wearing group T-shirts so maybe they’re the members. As for the rest, guess which party they belong to? I could spot one or two known MSP faces. Suggestions for names on an electronic postcard to the comments box for this post please.

The group also have a Facebook page. If you look hard enough in the bottom right hand corner of my screenshot you might see a link to their non-existent, oops sorry – ‘undergoing scheduled maintenance’, website:

english-scots-for-yes-fb-page

What you won’t find are any names of real people associated with or members (if they use such a boring old fuddy-duddy concept) of the group. But fret not, in the true tradition of nationalism, they’ve had an online fundraiser. You can find it on Indiegogo but here’s a screenshot from the page:

english-scots-for-yes-fundraiser

(It would be mean to ask what they did with the £1,627 so I won’t) You may need your specs on but on  the right-hand side  you’ll see the name of the organiser – one Math Campbell-Sturgess. You can click through for a wee bio but helpfully he also has his own Facebook page:

english-scots-for-yes-math-campbell

Notice anything? Yes, he’s an SNP councillor – from Greenock in Inverclyde. Now, I’m willing to accept that there are English people in this group, but how many? For their Holyrood relaunch last year they could muster (photo above) no more than twenty people, of whom a fair number are SNP politicians.

When the only name associated with the group in public is an SNP councillor, it doesn’t look good, does it?

How many similar nationalist groups have nothing more than a shadowy online existence and a doubtful membership?

Updates – people are sending me titbits arising from this post. I’ll park them here as they come in …

  1. The modest sum fundraised by the ‘group’ has been supplemented by another indiegogo effort that brought in £3,226 – all to be properly accounted for, I’m sure.
  2. There are said to be at least four SNP MSPs in the ‘launch’ photo – Mike Russell, Shona Robison, Stuart McMillan, and Christine Grahame. Nigel Don (former MSP) is also said to feature. Additions/corrections welcome.
  3. Someone was amused to see that a red-and-yellow ‘Yes’ balloon being waved in the background of the same photo seems to be left over from the sham ‘Labour for Indy’ group that was shown to be an SNP front some time ago.
  4. Though the group’s website is moribund, it was active briefly in 2014 when, surprise, it came complete with retail and donation opportunities. 
  5. An alert reader said he smelt ‘bullsh*t’ when ‘English’ Math Campbell-Sturgess described himself in an entry on the Companies House website (company registration No. SC223197) as ‘Scottish.’
  6. Campbell-Sturgess is not seeking re-election as an Inverclyde councillor in May (however, he is still politically active, in Argyll and Bute under the new streamlined surname of Campbell, see here)
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4 Responses to English Scots for Yes – are they for real?

  1. Their Twitter account states that it is run by Math Campbell-Sturgess ‘most of the time.’ He was born in Cambridge and moved to Scotland at the age of 18.

    http://www.mathcampbell.co.uk/about/

    I would have thought that a group with a large number of members might have revealed the existence of more than one of them. Some people may wish to keep their involvement quiet for personal or professional reasons but all but one doing so suggests that there are very few members.

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  2. Scotched earth says:

    I would have thought that ‘English Scot’ better described either a Scot resident in England or someone of English parentage born in Scotland. If ‘being born in a stable does not make a man a horse’(*) then surely moving into a stable at the age of 18 makes one even less so (maybe a horse’s rear though). Is this not Plastic Paddy Syndrome, or what Freud termed ‘Reaction Formation’, whereby someone, trying desperately to imitate qualities alien to them, instead becomes a grotesque caricature?
    (* As Daniel O’Connell said, denying Wellington connection to where he was born and raised.)

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  3. Michael says:

    Their website is back online and they have a picture of what is claimed to be the database that runs the website, showing that the site was hacked and all of the content deleted.
    There are a couple of problems with the image.
    Firstly, phpMyAdmin helpfully shows the name of the server that hosts the database (top middle of the image). “localhost” is the name given to any server running on the computer that you are sitting at. The screenshot did NOT come from a hosted web server, it came from the computer in front of the person who took it.
    Secondly, the pink bar says “No tables found in database” yet there is a whole list of tables down the left side of the picture. The Tab that is highlighted (top right of the image) is for Exporting data and the message can only have been generated if it was trying to run an export and there was a problem doing so.

    So the image didn’t come from a web server and it doesn’t show an empty database.
    At the very least it is a poor attempt at excusing the lack of a website. As they have been collecting money to support their cause it must border on fraud – getting money under false pretences!

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    • Roger White says:

      Thanks – interesting. I’m not technically-minded but if it was hacked, it must have been after my post on 10 January above about the group, where I included their ‘Maintenance mode’ landing (and only) page. That, as I said, had been there since at least 1 August last year. Another curiosity is that the previous page had no sign of any host but the new one is clearly a WordPress template – ‘WordPress Theme by Kadence Themes’ at bottom of page. The ‘Meta’ list at right-hand side is also a standard WordPress widget that most people edit out as they set up their site. Presumably WordPress is the ‘Hosting company’ investigating the hacking. All very strange but perhaps your final remarks get to the heart of the matter!

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